From lancelot at inetnebr.com Sat Jan 1 00:49:10 2005 From: lancelot at inetnebr.com (lance dyas) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:49:10 -0600 Subject: Statistic Ranges was Re: [RQ-Rules] Re: Bows In-Reply-To: <20041230102122.28167.qmail@web86201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041230102122.28167.qmail@web86201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41D558D6.2040205@inetnebr.com> ASHLEY MUNDAY wrote: >Alan R. he say: > >"...but SIZ of 2d+6 gives everyone a damage bonus." > >Tell that to my STR 13 SIZ 10 adventurer. > >Cheers, > >Ash > I always assume the stat modification was to give a broader range for sub human stats. Runequest actually uses stats for non-humans and there are a lot of creatures smaller and less intelligent than humans. -- Google Me at : Decision Driven Rolegaming -- Lance Dyas Destiny the Hand of Fate - at the Decision Driven Gaming Center Creating a language for describing the methods by which we accomplish things and thereby better enable visualization of play. http://www.dyasdesigns.com/roleplay/Fate/HandOfFate.pdf From stolenbjorn at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 22:06:24 2005 From: stolenbjorn at hotmail.com (Bjorn Stolen) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:06:24 +0000 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <20041221203755.75906.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >It may not have been a proper halberd, but Njal's >weapon seems to have been capable of thrusting. >Thorgrim's famous quip comes about after Njal strikes >him through a window, which is hard to do with regular >axe. >Also, the Icelandic term for Njal's weapon was atgeir, >or "spear-axe," according to this discussion: Well, geir was and still is a common Norwegian name and the Norse name for Spear "at" means "to" today (to-spear), but it might means somthing else in Norse. (Norse is a bit to modern Norwegians as Saxon is to english) A viking poleaxe/atgeir/battleaxe (whatever the name; the real thing is the real issue here, not the name!) was capable of thrusting with the upper tip of the blade, and according to my teacher, the poleaxe is used much like a spear; small arcs and stabbing; the famous 360 arc swings would have been as lethal to the ones on his side as to the enemies. In addition it could hoock with the lower tip of the blade, so that others (with spears or poleaxes) could exploit the opening and kill. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com Med markedets beste SPAM-filter. Gratis! From jurrubin at earthlink.net Fri Jan 7 03:43:00 2005 From: jurrubin at earthlink.net (David Smart) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:43:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 Message-ID: <6004351.1105029780548.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> The extended DVD of the third Lord of the Rings movie contains an explanation of how Gimli's "walking" axe was used in a similar manner. Apparently the upper "spike" of the blade was used to hook up under and behind an opponent's chin into the bottom of the mouth and then yanked forward, often dislocating and sometime even removing the lower jaw. Ouch. David -----Original Message----- From: Bjorn Stolen Sent: Jan 6, 2005 5:06 AM To: rq-rules at crashbox.com Subject: RE: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 A viking poleaxe/atgeir/battleaxe (whatever the name; the real thing is the real issue here, not the name!) was capable of thrusting with the upper tip of the blade, and according to my teacher, the poleaxe is used much like a spear; small arcs and stabbing; the famous 360 arc swings would have been as lethal to the ones on his side as to the enemies. In addition it could hoock with the lower tip of the blade, so that others (with spears or poleaxes) could exploit the opening and kill. From ghoyle1 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 7 15:08:52 2005 From: ghoyle1 at sbcglobal.net (Guy Hoyle) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:08:52 -0600 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <6004351.1105029780548.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <6004351.1105029780548.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41DE0B54.9010800@sbcglobal.net> David Smart wrote: >The extended DVD of the third Lord of the Rings movie contains an explanation of how Gimli's "walking" axe was used in a similar manner. Apparently the upper "spike" of the blade was used to hook up under and behind an opponent's chin into the bottom of the mouth and then yanked forward, often dislocating and sometime even removing the lower jaw. > > Well, um, I guess I don't remember that particular detail from either the movie or the books. Icky. Guy (Hoyle) From jurrubin at earthlink.net Fri Jan 7 15:26:49 2005 From: jurrubin at earthlink.net (D. Smart) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:26:49 -0600 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <41DE0B54.9010800@sbcglobal.net> References: <6004351.1105029780548.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <41DE0B54.9010800@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41DE0F89.4050406@earthlink.net> It was part of the commentaries; post-production crew, I think. David Guy Hoyle wrote: > David Smart wrote: > >> The extended DVD of the third Lord of the Rings movie contains an >> explanation of how Gimli's "walking" axe was used in a similar >> manner. Apparently the upper "spike" of the blade was used to hook up >> under and behind an opponent's chin into the bottom of the mouth and >> then yanked forward, often dislocating and sometime even removing the >> lower jaw. >> >> > Well, um, I guess I don't remember that particular detail from either > the movie or the books. Icky. > > Guy (Hoyle) > > _______________________________________________ > RQ-Rules mailing list > RQ-Rules at crashbox.com > http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules > http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules > > From ghoyle1 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 7 15:36:20 2005 From: ghoyle1 at sbcglobal.net (Guy Hoyle) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:36:20 -0600 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <41DE0F89.4050406@earthlink.net> References: <6004351.1105029780548.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <41DE0B54.9010800@sbcglobal.net> <41DE0F89.4050406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41DE11C4.8040503@sbcglobal.net> I was making a smart-ass kind of joke; I don't see that kind of jaw-popping detail as particularly Tolkienesque, though I don't make a fetish of pointing out non-Tolkienesque elements in the movies. I guessthat unhinging jaws seemed jarringly out of place to me. Guy D. Smart wrote: > It was part of the commentaries; post-production crew, I think. > > David > > Guy Hoyle wrote: > >> David Smart wrote: >> >>> The extended DVD of the third Lord of the Rings movie contains an >>> explanation of how Gimli's "walking" axe was used in a similar >>> manner. Apparently the upper "spike" of the blade was used to hook >>> up under and behind an opponent's chin into the bottom of the mouth >>> and then yanked forward, often dislocating and sometime even >>> removing the lower jaw. >>> >>> >> Well, um, I guess I don't remember that particular detail from either >> the movie or the books. Icky. >> >> Guy (Hoyle) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> RQ-Rules mailing list >> RQ-Rules at crashbox.com >> http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules >> http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > RQ-Rules mailing list > RQ-Rules at crashbox.com > http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules > http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules > From jurrubin at earthlink.net Fri Jan 7 23:19:06 2005 From: jurrubin at earthlink.net (D. Smart) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 06:19:06 -0600 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <41DE11C4.8040503@sbcglobal.net> References: <6004351.1105029780548.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <41DE0B54.9010800@sbcglobal.net> <41DE0F89.4050406@earthlink.net> <41DE11C4.8040503@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41DE7E3A.9040802@earthlink.net> Lol. I agree about it not being Tolkienesque; he wasn't into the casual gore that's been popular in U.S.-produced movies the last couple of decades. Probably because he experienced first-hand the amount of non-casual gore that filled the world of WWI trench warfare. It is a good commentary on how well the props crew wanted to research their props. I just love the overall visuals of all three movies but then I admit to being a die-hard Tolkien geek. 'Nuff said about the movies; we now return to the daily discussion of RQ. *grin* David Guy Hoyle wrote: > I was making a smart-ass kind of joke; I don't see that kind of > jaw-popping detail as particularly Tolkienesque, though I don't make a > fetish of pointing out non-Tolkienesque elements in the movies. I > guessthat unhinging jaws seemed jarringly out of place to me. > > Guy > > D. Smart wrote: > >> It was part of the commentaries; post-production crew, I think. >> >> David >> >> Guy Hoyle wrote: >> >>> David Smart wrote: >>> >>>> The extended DVD of the third Lord of the Rings movie contains an >>>> explanation of how Gimli's "walking" axe was used in a similar >>>> manner. Apparently the upper "spike" of the blade was used to hook >>>> up under and behind an opponent's chin into the bottom of the mouth >>>> and then yanked forward, often dislocating and sometime even >>>> removing the lower jaw. >>>> >>>> >>> Well, um, I guess I don't remember that particular detail from >>> either the movie or the books. Icky. >>> >>> Guy (Hoyle) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> RQ-Rules mailing list >>> RQ-Rules at crashbox.com >>> http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules >>> http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> RQ-Rules mailing list >> RQ-Rules at crashbox.com >> http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules >> http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules >> > > > _______________________________________________ > RQ-Rules mailing list > RQ-Rules at crashbox.com > http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules > http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules > > From dahak at dahak.free-online.co.uk Sat Jan 8 02:07:12 2005 From: dahak at dahak.free-online.co.uk (Adam Canning) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:07:12 -0000 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <20041229011701.179B422271C@boomstick.screwheads.net> Message-ID: <41DEA5A0.8272.25CEC0@localhost> On 28 Dec 2004 at 17:17, rq-rules-request at crashbox.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:16:34 -0600 > From: "D. Smart" > Subject: Re: [RQ-Rules] On the Damage of Bows > To: "RuneQuest rules discussion." > Message-ID: <41D20572.4070406 at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Huh?!? > > I don't recall seeing these two types of bows or the arrow in any RQ3 > material. Can you tell me > where I can find details on these? I've lost the spreadsheet I compiled these on and only have a printout of the stats without source. The DBB might be Elder Secrets, The Recurve Longbow I suspect is Other Suns This is what I've got. Skill Bow Bow Weapon Dragonnewt bonebow Recurve Longbow Hands 2 2 Damage 1D10+1 1D10+2 STR 17 17 DEX 9 12 ENC 2 2 Base Chance 05 05 Armour 8 6 SR 1/SR 1/SR Price 1000 1000 Notes @@ @@ Range 120/300 135/450 -- Adam "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." George W Bush From dahak at dahak.free-online.co.uk Sat Jan 8 02:14:27 2005 From: dahak at dahak.free-online.co.uk (Adam Canning) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:14:27 -0000 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: On the Damage of Bows In-Reply-To: <20050106164313.46A7A222767@boomstick.screwheads.net> Message-ID: <41DEA753.4173.2C72D2@localhost> On 6 Jan 2005 at 8:43, rq-rules-request at crashbox.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:26:27 +0000 (GMT) > From: Simon Phipp > Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: On the Damage of Bows > To: rq-rules at crashbox.com > Message-ID: <20041231032627.30211.qmail at web51005.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > The dragonewt bow was in the Wyrms Footnotes article on dragonewts, I think. > Longbows were in RQ3, weren't they? I've never heard of skinsplitter arrows, > but they sound pretty nasty. My notes have +2 STR min, Half Range, +1d3 damage vs unarmoured targets. I think they may be a conversion from Ultimate Martial Artist rather than native BRP however. They appear to be an extremely broadheaded arrow. :) -- Adam "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." George W Bush From jurrubin at earthlink.net Sat Jan 8 02:30:57 2005 From: jurrubin at earthlink.net (David Smart) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:30:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 15 Message-ID: <6450286.1105111857513.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Thank you! David -----Original Message----- From: Adam Canning Sent: Jan 7, 2005 9:07 AM To: rq-rules at crashbox.com Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: RQ-Rules Digest, Vol 12, Issue 15 I've lost the spreadsheet I compiled these on and only have a printout of the stats without source. The DBB might be Elder Secrets, The Recurve Longbow I suspect is Other Suns This is what I've got. From peter at maranci.net Sun Jan 9 13:46:40 2005 From: peter at maranci.net (Peter Maranci) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:46:40 -0500 Subject: [RQ-Rules] I Confess (was "RQ Wiki attacked by spam") Message-ID: Okay, I will now admit that I have been stupid. This will probably not come as a surprise to too many people. :D I somehow failed to write down the administrator's login and password for the RQ Wiki. That's why I can't lock out spammers. I can't even automatically back up the database. And the spammers have been getting even worse - they've somehow managed to make their new posts more difficult to delete. It's clear that I can't keep up with them. So...tonight I went in and manually copied *every* entry in the wiki. Saved each one as a text file with the wiki page name as the filename. I *will* be able to delete the old wiki, and very quickly re-create a new, secure RuneQuest Wiki. But before I do, can anyone recommend some better wiki software? It will have to be free, because that's the most I can afford these days. :\ Thanks for all the suggestions, by the way. If I hadn't screwed up so completely, they'd have been helpful. ->Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Maranci peter at maranci.net Woonsocket, RI Pete's RuneQuest & Roleplaying! - http://www.runequest.org/rq.htm From bick10 at comcast.net Mon Jan 10 11:03:10 2005 From: bick10 at comcast.net (bick10 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:03:10 +0000 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Young Blades Message-ID: <011020050003.17157.41E1C63E0008138E000043052200734076CFCE050C070D@comcast.net> A new show that goes with 7th Sea. A swashbuckling show on PAX. Young Blades. The son of a hero A hot blooded Spaniard A brilliant inventor And well..., "That man is my sister". January 23rd 8:00 PM, PAX TV. My DVR is set to record it weekly. Jim From bick10 at comcast.net Mon Jan 10 11:43:29 2005 From: bick10 at comcast.net (bick10 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:43:29 +0000 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Young Blades Message-ID: <011020050043.29734.41E1CFB0000DD9A3000074262200737478CFCE050C070D@comcast.net> Humph. I intended to email the guys in my gaming group, and selected one too many address. Sorry everyone. From jurrubin at earthlink.net Mon Jan 10 14:01:54 2005 From: jurrubin at earthlink.net (D. Smart) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:01:54 -0600 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Young Blades In-Reply-To: <011020050043.29734.41E1CFB0000DD9A3000074262200737478CFCE050C070D@comcast.net> References: <011020050043.29734.41E1CFB0000DD9A3000074262200737478CFCE050C070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41E1F022.2000509@earthlink.net> LOL! It still sounds interesting. David bick10 at comcast.net wrote: >Humph. I intended to email the guys in my gaming group, and selected one too many address. Sorry everyone. > > > >_______________________________________________ >RQ-Rules mailing list >RQ-Rules at crashbox.com >http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules >http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules > > > > From Tony.Den at standardbank.co.za Wed Jan 26 19:23:30 2005 From: Tony.Den at standardbank.co.za (Den, Tony T) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:23:30 +0200 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Best of RuneQuest Message-ID: Is this for real? I have never heard of such a publication before. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44111&item=5952685072 &rd=1 T?ny __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Standard Bank Disclaimer and Confidentiality Note This e-mail, its attachments and any rights attaching hereto are, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise, the property of Standard Bank Group Limited and/or its subsidiaries ("the Group"). 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For information about the Standard Bank Group Limited visit our website http://www.standardbank.co.za ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ From aescleal at btinternet.com Wed Jan 26 20:33:32 2005 From: aescleal at btinternet.com (ASHLEY MUNDAY) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [RQ-Rules] Best of RuneQuest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050126093332.57104.qmail@web86202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> It's a roll-up of a large chunk of RuneQuest Adventures issues 1 to 5. Worth a look, although the starting price is a bit nutty. Have a look on Rick Meints website (www.glorantha.info) or in MIG II for more info. Cheers, Ash --- "Den, Tony T" wrote: > Is this for real? I have never heard of such a > publication before. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44111&item=5952685072 > &rd=1 > > > T?ny > > > __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Standard Bank Disclaimer and Confidentiality Note > > This e-mail, its attachments and any rights > attaching hereto are, unless the context clearly > indicates otherwise, the property of Standard Bank > Group Limited and/or its subsidiaries ("the Group"). > It is confidential, private and intended for the > addressee only. > > Should you not be the addressee and receive this > e-mail by mistake, kindly notify the sender, and > delete this e-mail, immediately and do not disclose > or use same in any manner whatsoever. > > Views and opinions expressed in this e-mail are > those of the sender unless clearly stated as those > of the Group. The Group accepts no liability > whatsoever for any loss or damages whatsoever and > howsoever incurred, or suffered, resulting, or > arising, from the use of this email or its > attachments. > > The Group does not warrant the integrity of this > e-mail nor that it is free of errors, viruses, > interception or interference. > > Licensed divisions of the Standard Bank Group are > authorised financial services providers in terms of > the Financial Advisory and Intermediary Services > Act, No 37 of 2002 (FAIS). > > For information about the Standard Bank Group > Limited visit our website > http://www.standardbank.co.za > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > RQ-Rules mailing list > RQ-Rules at crashbox.com > http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules > http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules > From Rjmeints at aol.com Thu Jan 27 00:05:51 2005 From: Rjmeints at aol.com (Rjmeints at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:05:51 -0500 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: Best of Runequest Message-ID: <38FAAC2F.53FF6724.00817004@aol.com> Ash hit it pretty much on the head. The ebay item in question: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44111&item=5952685072 This is more the victim of slightly poor heading choice than anything else. The text elaborates that this is "The best of Runequest Adventures" Volume I. This was published by the RQ Adventures magazine people after their magazine surged in popularity and they didn't want to do a full reprint of the first few issues that were out of print. There is a complete table of contents for the issue, as Ash was kind enough to point out, on my www.glorantha.info website in the magazine section. I too feel the starting price is rather high, but not out of the realm of reason. This isn't the easiest thing to get a hold of and it only seems to pop up on ebay a few times a year. It's been several months since it was last auctioned and its selling price was roughly similar. Its a great book for those who want RQ2/3 style adventures that are ready to run. Enjoy, Rick Meints www.glorantha.info From aescleal at btinternet.com Thu Jan 27 00:29:03 2005 From: aescleal at btinternet.com (ASHLEY MUNDAY) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:29:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: Best of Runequest In-Reply-To: <38FAAC2F.53FF6724.00817004@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050126132903.17922.qmail@web86210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Eric Rowe flogged one a week or so ago for $58. He had the sense to start the bidding at $1 to at least get the punters interested. The URL for those interested: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44111&item=5950223656&rd=1 Cheers, Ash --- Rjmeints at aol.com wrote: > Ash hit it pretty much on the head. > The ebay item in question: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44111&item=5952685072 > > This is more the victim of slightly poor heading > choice than anything else. The text elaborates > that this is "The best of Runequest Adventures" > Volume I. This was published by the RQ Adventures > magazine people after their magazine surged in > popularity and they didn't want to do a full > reprint of the first few issues that were out > of print. There is a complete table of contents > for the issue, as Ash was kind enough to point > out, on my www.glorantha.info website in the > magazine section. > > I too feel the starting price is rather high, but > not out of the realm of reason. This isn't the > easiest > thing to get a hold of and it only seems to pop up > on ebay a few times a year. It's been several months > since it was last auctioned and its selling price > was roughly similar. Its a great book for those who > want RQ2/3 style adventures that are ready to run. > > Enjoy, > Rick Meints > www.glorantha.info > _______________________________________________ > RQ-Rules mailing list > RQ-Rules at crashbox.com > http://www.crashbox.com/rq-rules > http://www.crashbox.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rq-rules > From paul at profax.co.nz Thu Jan 27 09:06:54 2005 From: paul at profax.co.nz (Paul Heinz) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:06:54 +1300 Subject: [RQ-Rules] Re: Best of Runequest In-Reply-To: <20050126132903.17922.qmail@web86210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ash wrote > Eric Rowe flogged one a week or so ago for $58. He had > the sense to start the bidding at $1 to at least get > the punters interested. > > The URL for those interested: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44111&item=59502236 56&rd=1 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44111&item=5952685072 And note it's the same guy selling this copy as the one who bought Eric's copy. TTFN, Paul.