From: owner-rq-rules-digest To: rq-rules-digest@hops.wharton.upenn.edu Subject: RQ Rules Digest: V2 #79 Reply-To: rq-rules Errors-To: owner-rq-rules-digest Precedence: bulk Content-Return: Prohibited Return-Path: owner-rq-rules-digest RQ Rules Digest: Friday, 22 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 079 TABLE OF CONTENTS Majordomo Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RQ3 Errata (fwd) Forwarded message: From major@hops.wharton.upenn.edu Mon Sep 18 09:40:07 1995 Date: 18 Sep 95 09:24:44 EDT From: David Neville <100674.605@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:owner-rq-rules@hops.wharton.upenn.edu" Subject: RQ3 Errata Message-ID: <950918132444_100674.605_EHU40-1@CompuServe.COM> This is my first mail to this mail-list so go easy on me, but oculd anyone send me a copy of RQ3 errata or where i can get it from as the version we have got as a couple of mistakes that i must admit are minor, but could end up saving my PC`s life :) Many thanks ------------------------------ From: Majordomo Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Holy hopping Humakti (fwd) Forwarded message: From major@hops.wharton.upenn.edu Mon Sep 18 04:50:24 1995 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 16:51:53 +0800 Message-Id: <199509180851.QAA26420@cs.uwa.oz.au> X-Sender: davidc@cs.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: RQ-Rules@hops.wharton.upenn.edu From: davidc@cs.uwa.edu.au (David Cake) Subject: Re: Holy hopping Humakti Sender: owner-rq-rules@hops.wharton.upenn.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: RQ-Rules@hops.wharton.upenn.edu Content-Return: prohibited X-Nagging: Use an appropriate Subject line X-More-Nagging: Do not include large sections of messages in your replies X-Legal-Stuff: RuneQuest is TM Avalon Hill. Glorantha is TM Chaosium. > I'm sure it was me. I think the point we differ on is where >the dividing line is that Humakt rescues you. You are more liberal >on this point than I. You stated that if a Humakti was surrounded by >evil soul-sucking undead and was certain to be killed, you'd let >him DI out of there, and take his pals along. I probably wouldn't, >though I'd let him DI a pal out. Of course, I temper my harsh >doctrine with the fact that any Sword surrounded by soul-sucking >undead in my campaign has already been given at least three chances >to evade the danger (and I don't mean by running away). And my point of view probably reflects the fact that I do consider the undead to be soul-sucking - Humakt may not care about his worshippers dieing, but he sure cares about them having their souls got at. > And I do believe that Humakt doesn't care whether his >worshipers die or not. True. But sometimes his worshippers do, and if they are able to make a reasonable plea, then he might grant their requests. Why? who can say - its probably up to the individual GM to interpret how gods think in their games, and probably (by the nature of such things) they will determine the result on the spur of the moment and rationalise it later. The true situation in my own games is - Humakt will grant any DI I decide he will grant. He will not grant DIs that I think reflect poor roleplaying of a Humakti character (as opposed to foolish roleplaying - the large POW drop is enough punishment for foolishness). What exactly poor roleplaying is, reflects on the particular characters version of that faith, the As I said, an appropriate phrasing for such a request is 'Lord, let me die, but not yet'. > >David Cake listed his house rules for teaching AD&Ders about RQ. > Great house rules, Dave. I must modestly point out that these rules where not mine at all. I thought they were pretty good as well, though I can take none of the credit. Cheers David > > Computing Officer |" Life is easily understood as bit strings of logical Arts Faculty UWA |depth greater than their length" - Rebis, Doom Patrol davidc@cs.uwa.edu.au |" Do not think, HIT, it is our way" - Milk & Cheese ------------------------------ From: owner-rq-rules@hops.wharton.upenn.edu Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 17:01:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Chaosium Digest In answer to Hugh Foster's query: you can subscribe to the Chaosium Digest by writing a note to Shannon Appel (appel@erzo.org) asking to be added to the list. The Chaosium Digest (hereafter CD) is rather different than this list or its Gloranthan cousin; the CD is a more like an on-line fanzine. It appears weekly, and does not feature the sort of ongoing discussions/ debates that direct mail/daily digest lists have. Instead, the CD carries articles relating to Chaosium games (*except* Runequest and its associated board-games): variants, errata, scenarios, additional background materials , etc. The CD has also published reviews, interview, notices of articles in printed magazines, previews of upcoming Chaosium releases, and other less easily classifiable materials. The rationale for excluding Runequest from the CD (Runequest and Glorantha have their own on-line presences) makes sense. At times, however, I've found myself wishing that there was something similar to the CD for Runequest. I enjoy following the discussions on this list and the Glorantha list, but when time is tight find that I don't have enough leisure to keep up with the lists' output. For times like that, it would be convenient to have a list that simply provided the longer, article- length contributions, not the discussion that surrounds them. Further, I find that it's the longer pieces that I usually want to save for permanent reference, so an all-article list would have advantages from an archiving point of view as well. Indeed, if I remember correctly, there was a thread on this list or the Glorantha one not long ago concerning the need/desire for an archive of just the longer contributions to these lists. Having said this, I must immediately admit that I do not have the expertise or the computer access necessary for accomplishing any of the above. Does anyone but me think that a CD-like Runequest list would be a good idea? Jonas Pope popej@cofc.edu ------------------------------ From: owner-rq-rules@hops.wharton.upenn.edu Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:44:02 +0800 Subject: Re: Regimental Magic >Hello everyone, >I need some help about Regimental Magic System. I'd better leap in before Joerg, who I had an unbelievably long (or at least unbelievable if you havn't seen some of the other discussions with Joerg people have had :-)) discussion on this topic with. Very fruitful, and Joerg and I almost agreed at the end of it. >What is it: A form of sorcelery/divine/spirit magic specially powerfull or a >different magic? Yes :-) >Does anybody in the list use it? how, with which rules... I don't have any rules for it as yet. Maybe I will have one day, maybe it will simply emerge when I finish the heroquest/ advanced magic rules , and the Warhamster variant, and combine them. As to wether this will ever happen, is, of course, wildly doubtful :-) >Is it similar to the Battle magic of Warhammer Armies? >What spells are available, how does they work, what makes them "Regimental". >For those who have no idea of what I am talking about, my understanding is that >regimental magic is a form of magic used by disciples of the Red Moon (mostly) >in sort of units of magicians that combine their powers to create/cast powerfull >spells. Joerg and I both assumed (taking as our cue the Dragon Pass (and Nomad Gods) rules, still probably the best source of information about army level conflicts in Glorantha) that the vast majority of such regimental magic involves the use of spirits that are sent to attack your enemies. There are definately many cases of 'regimental' magic that does not involve spirits, but we assumed most of them are either a) much less important OR b) pretty similar in terms of mechanics when it comes down to it OR c) a special case, like the Crater Makers - In Dragon Pass terms, not a spirit magic attack. The majority of magicians in DP/NG attack primarily by spirit magic. We differed on the nature of these spirits - I believed that the nature of such a spiritual force could be extrapolated from the RQ rules, and consisted mostly of a large force of summoned spirits, augmented with a core of powerful cult spirits or other spirits beyond normal human summoning and capture (e.g. the spirits that guard the Sun County Sun Dome Temple). He believed that the 'spirit' of a magician unit in Dragon Pass represented a communal spirit or regimental spirit of that unit, a 'wyter' in Orlanthi parlance, while I thought that such a spirit could never really be powerful enough without creating special, otherwise unknown, magic of some kind. I think our eventual compromise position was that such communal spirits probably are very important in most cases, but primarily as a coordination and controlling factor, allowing the magicians to control their large horde of spirits at distances otherwise quite unfeasible. Magicians somehow link (probably normally via Mind Link) with this spirit, and it can thus command their powers at a distance. Note that this sort of magic is both not the sort of magic used by many magicians, and involves a degree of coordination that is highly unusual. Generally only the Lunar College of Magic, and the Sartar Magical Union (under the heroic powers of organisation of Argrath) are able to do this sort of thing as a standard tactic. And even in those organisations, a large proportion of the magicians are not part of such magician units, instead being magician members of conventional units (chaplains, lunar monitors, or simply warriors who are also priests), and either using magic as part of conventional combat, or acting defensively to protect against the spirit attacks of others. Even units that contain a high proportion of magicians may not be organised for magical Most of the really powerful magic from DP/NG comes under the heading of 'unique' magic - in other words the rules are made up on a case by case basis. I think we believed that most such magic was either a special case of spells that combine in a special way (such as Shake Earth from Maran Gor), or a heroquest ritual result. Sometimes perhaps they are unique abilities of particular spirits that the unit commands (though this is really pretty much the same as saying its a heroquest power anyway). Cheers David Computing Officer | " Life is easily understood as bit strings of logical Arts Faculty | depth greater than their length" - Rebis, Doom Patrol Uni. of Western Australia | " Do not think, HIT, it is our way" - Milk & Cheese ------------------------------ From: Hugh Foster <100326.446@compuserve.com> Date: 22 Sep 95 14:27:51 EDT Subject: Various >> >1. Spirit magic and sorcery should use the same spell list, with different >common names. I'd hate to see this. I like the fact that there are spells my players will never have. One of my favorite moments in playtesting RQ4 was when they came across some sorcerers using the new, improved Damage Resistance. The rules lawyer was going crazy trying to figure the size of their spell << Amen to that! As GM, I always reserve the right to have NPCs do something whizzy and unexpected, which enhances the story and excitement _without_ hosing the players to badly, and then sneak off home and quietly write the spell up. No player ever knows all the magic in the world. Ground rule. - ---------------------------------------------------- >> >I feel that, like many other features of a RPG, the results of DI should be >ultimately goverened by what the referee feels fits the flow and drama of the >story. ...but also governed by the abilities of the god(dess)? No, I won't start that one again. << Neither will I, but yes! The deity is part of the story, after all. HWF ------------------------------ From: liebx004@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Steve Lieb) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 21:50:44 -0500 Subject: Re: combat timekeeping > > >Has anyone tried disposing of the melee round, and permitting things to >proceed so that an action happens either DEX SR or MELEE SR after the >previous idential action or 3 SR + {DEX SR|MELEE SR} after the previous >disimilar action? > Yeah, tried it. I think it could work with a computer assist on the timekeeping, otherwise, it just got too complicated with 4 players, 2 NPCs and say 6 monsters. Way too much work for minimal benefit. Steve Lieb Cologne, MN (liebx004@maroon.tc.umn.edu) "To drive your enemies before you; to hear the wailing of their women; to know your O/S is dominant in the marketplace; THAT is the true taste of victory!." - -Ghengis Bill, Microkhan ------------------------------ End of RQ Rules Digest: V2 #79 ****************************** This is the bottom of the RuneQuest Rules Digest. 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